Where were you born, and when?
I was born October 27th, 1927, and there was a flood that year. So I was born in the flood of '27. I was born in Shrewsbury, Vermont, on the farm, delivered by a country doctor who delivered my other three siblings, Dr. Martin.
I'm the youngest of four. I was four years younger than the next one. I don't remember much about my siblings until I reached high school and college, really, as far as doing things with them. But I remember wonderful play times.
What games did you play growing up?
We played all kinds of country games. We did sliding in the winter on Town Hill — that was wonderful. One person had to watch out for cars because we slid on Main Street. We went skating on the river. I used to build snow forts outside and play outside by the hour. In the summer, I had a wonderful outside playhouse under the crabapple tree, and I loved it when my mother cooked beets because then I had red water. Any old dishes my mother didn't use, I could have.
What was family life like?
It was amazing. During the Depression, my father didn't have a job, but neither myself nor Jane — who was my next sibling — can remember an unpleasant thing. Now, that's amazing. We had a good time in a little village. There was no family who was way above us. We were always just accepted everywhere.
My brother was like an older person whom I admired very much. He was eight years older than I was, and he kind of favored me. He fought very much with my sister Jane. He and Zoa got along fine, but he and Jane used to fight — really fight. Jane got so mad at him one time, she threw a fork at him, and it landed in the wall over his head.
Tell me about your mother.
My mother was absolutely marvelous. It's no wonder we turned out the way we did. She was strict, but very understanding, had a great sense of humor. We all feel so much in debt to her. She could do everything. She sewed — took in sewing for money. She was the best cook I've ever seen. She could sing. She was very talented. She was from Plymouth, Vermont.
What did you do after college?
I went to Castleton State Teachers College in Castleton, Vermont — four years. The first two years, I got up at 5:30 in the morning and cleaned halls for my room and board. Every day. Then, because I did a lot in school — head of this and that, president of this and that, and I acted — I got a better job on the desk at the dorm. That was a cushy job. You got to sit down.
I finished school with practically a 4.0 average. They don't usually give out awards there, but I got the highest award there was — Omicron Sigma.
Did you have boyfriends in college?
Several. I had a good time. My first date in high school was with Merritt Edson — he was shorter than I was, and his mother drove us to the freshman reception. I dated Harry Wiggins. And when I was a senior, I dated Dick Maxon. He went to Norwich, a military school, so we had a couple of weekends up there. I had my sister's fur coat to wear.
How did you meet Allan?
I was teaching at Lincoln School in the fourth grade in Rutland, Vermont, living with a gal named Ruth Allen — we called her Twerp. Neither of us had a car, so we walked everywhere.
One Christmas, I went down to visit my sister Zoa in New Boston, Massachusetts. Before I'd gone, a gentleman named Raymond Johnson had asked me to a Christmas dance. I was having such a nice time in New Boston, I didn't want to come home to go to the dance, but my mother said, "If you have agreed to go with someone, you really should." So I came home. And there was a man in military uniform at the dance that I had known in high school — not really known, but I knew who he was. He said hello to me. It happened to be Allan Snyder.
Two days later I got a phone call. He had called my mother to find out where I lived. Three and a half months later, we were married.
How did you know so fast?
I knew the first time I went out with him, if he ever asked me to marry him, that was the one. You know how that is.
Tell me about the wedding.
He called me because he was going to have a good leave and had just gotten a lot of money for some pay. I took a train down — I had to take time off from teaching, and couldn't go unless they found a substitute. He met me, and the next day we were married. In the Air Force Chapel at Fort Bragg. Just his friend Steve Strauss and Steve's wife, Bernie. That was it.
My father said, "Oh, he's just swept you off your feet. You don't know what you're doing." But I was twenty-five then. I'd been around.
What happened after you got married?
We were married in March in North Carolina. His regiment was going to Panama, so I drove the car home, finished teaching. Then we drove across the country, the southern route. I was pregnant with Lynn. Two weeks before he was going to go overseas, Lynn was born. He got leave. And when she was two weeks old, he was sent over to Korea.
He was an officer, more of a teacher, but he did have to go out on patrol. Before they went out, they sat in a dark room for twenty minutes to get used to it. What was really fun for him was making an officer's club from scratch — bar and all.
What happened when Allan came home?
He went back to school. I went back teaching in Vermont, and my mother took care of Lynn. After he graduated, he got a job with a drug company. His first territory was Vermont, so we got an apartment in Rutland. Then he was sent to Raleigh, North Carolina, for two years. We bought our first house there for $14,750. It was a lovely house in Cardinal Hills. Our mortgage was $75 a month — we got it through the GI Bill.
Then we moved to Richmond, Virginia, where we stayed for ten years. All five of my children were born between Raleigh and Richmond, except Lynn, who was born at Fort Ord in California.